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Reader comments: (43)
kenny perry would not like to play with all who cast their vote in favour of not cheating. would spend too much time watching their antics. posted by: harold s on 2009/08/25
kenny perry yes he broke the rule. should have disqualified himself on seeing the video. bit disappointed expected better. posted by: harold s on 2009/08/25
Perry gets away with murder There is no question in my mind that Perry should have been disqualified for accidentally /inadvertently improving his lie. You can carefully put the club behind the ball to address it or even carefully see whether you could use a particular club but his actions were an infringement of the law. I don’t care how god fearing and what a nice guy he is –he improved his lie and should have been penalizedThe Rules committee did the game a disservice posted by: Chris on 2009/08/24
Testing the lie He was testing his lie, not improving it. posted by: Ryan on 2009/07/20
Please Let people who can actually play golf AND know the rules call the shots here. He was testing the lie, NOT improving the lie. All decent players know and do this with NO intent of or improving their lies. Take the mans track record and standing on tour as well. He DID NOT infringe the rules of golf. If he indeed did, he would no doubt have called a penalty on himself. posted by: C.Allen on 2009/07/16
You are… or you’re not.. I had a girl friend that was a little pregnant... posted by: Reggie Cepeda on 2009/06/09
What was he thinking? Its unbelievable that these so-called Pro's love cutting it fine. I've seen a Pro hit his drive into the short rough and instead of handing his drive to his caddy as he would do if his drive hit the fairway, he would carry it to the ball and "pretend" to address the ball ( its only 150m to the pin dear)and with these large drivers bingo the grass behind the ball is "unintentionally" presses down. Pure and simple it is an improved lie. The golden rule of golf is "Play it as it LIES" posted by: DryLemon on 2009/05/28
Kenny Cheated It is 100* clear that he cheated by "grounding" his vlub several times! They should have used this example and penalised him hard. posted by: Daniel on 2009/05/26
Kenny Perry Not Guilty It happens many times when you address your ball in the rough that you realise that the grass is deeper under your ball than antisipated and you will automatically step away and change club or just re-address posted by: Jurie Neethling on 2009/05/26
ABSOLUTELY NOT! You can clearly see that Kenny is having a look to see if he will be able to make descent contact with the ball, before deciding his final shot selection. the amount of club you can get onto the ball, decides your final shot selection. Anybody that has a remote idea that he's in any way trying to improve his lie, surely does NOT understand golf and is DEFFINITELY seeing something that's NOT there. posted by: Samuel De Swardt on 2009/05/26
NOT I agree with Alex van Breda. You cannot see how far from the ball the grass has been flattened. All we know is that the ball is more visible from the angle of the camera. posted by: Alistair Yuill on 2009/05/25
precedent accepted I have seen all PRO'S do this on TV. This seems to be the PGA now trying to set a precedent, for what has been happening under their noses for years! posted by: Matt on 2009/05/25
Tamping Of-course he tamped the grass down behind the ball. It is an infringement of rhe rule and he should have called a penalty on himself. case close posted by: Peter Sellar on 2009/05/25
Is Kenny Perry a cheat? It was not intentional - you can see he is pre-occupied thinking of his next shot and the action of flattening the grass was simply the absent-minded action of a man deep in thought - stupid yes, but a pro like Kenny Perry just wouldn't want to cheat and destroy his reputation over one approach shot! The whole thing is ridiculous. posted by: CSP on 2009/05/25
Are you not envious? What are referees there for? If the referee has given KP a clean bill, why continue with all these comments? Why would a seasoned player like KP cheat at this time of his career? Admittedly pro players make mistakes or infrenge the rules and hence they have referees to help them out. If we all accepted he might have made a mistake, that would make sense, but to call him a cheat is going too far. Please just give him a break and just do an introspection on the number of infrengements you commit each time you step on the first tee. posted by: Glen Jobe on 2009/05/25
Rule infringement but not a cheat KP is one of golf's real gentlemen and what he did was a mental aberration and should have been penalised. He would not have called this on himself simply because he did not realise or remember having done it. posted by: Ron Bryer on 2009/05/25
More visible! Looking at the obscured ball before the application of the club and how much of the ball was showing after the tapping of the club one can only believe that the grass was re-arranged. What the camera angle does not show is how far from the ball the grass was flattened which could determine wheteher the lie as indeed improved as per the rule. So it would seem that he was given the benefit of the doubt? posted by: Alex van Breda, Gauteng on 2009/05/25
It's simple When he saw the ball pop out of the grass when he pressed the club down he should have called a penalty on himself, or at least asked a rules official for advice. posted by: Louis on 2009/05/25
camera angle the camera angle could have changed that can be the reason why the ball is more visable posted by: naas m janse van rensburg on 2009/05/25
NOT a CHEAT I have looked at this footage again and again. You would not find an official alive today that would rule that as cheating. Did his action remove the grass? Did his lie improve? NO TO ALL. In fact, he only plays the ball some 1min 45 seconds later. In order to rule this as cheating, the rule should have read... if your ball is buried in thick greenside grass, you may not ground your club in a practice swing or at address...NOT CHEATING posted by: Adam on 2009/05/25
Commentary Would love to hear the rest of the commentary. At the beginning Feherty is talking of a big clump of grass behind the ball. After the gardening expedition, the ball is clear. What did Faldo and Feherty have to say? posted by: mike on 2009/05/25
You must be blind JT "He simply pressed the grass down when grounding his club"By the time the video ends he has bashed the grass down 3 times and hasn't yet adressed the ball. No excuse for a professional of 30 years. We accept pros being disuqlaifyed for bas arithmatic, why let hime break the rules? posted by: MA on 2009/05/25
Deliberately cheating, probably not, but infringing the rules? Yes He should know better, he is clearly contravening the rules although probably not intentionally. Morally a difficult one, pretty much like when a friend does this on the golf course without thinking or intentionally cheating, do you call it (and risk ruining the spirit for the rest of the round) or not? posted by: Russell on 2009/05/25
Who let the Dog out Sure rules are rules, but give it a break, KP is an angel and a gentleman on and off the course. I know it has nothing to do with the issue, but KP is such a clean ball striker he does'nt need to improve his lie. I must admit I am a serial offender as I always lay my clubface down on the surface of the grass behind the ball to establish the texture of my next shot. My ball does'nt move but yes the grass must be rearranged some what. I never considered this habit to be improving my lie or cheating. Maybe it's time for me to join the Lawn Bowling Club, where the only rules are no pinching the girls backside and consumption of tipple limited to no slurring of words and ability to stand upright. posted by: Thomas Nicolson on 2009/05/25
Off course Come on ! Just the fact that you could hardly see the ball before he addressed it and suddenly it is visible ? We see it often but that does not make it right ! posted by: Marinus on 2009/05/25
I don't think so He simply pressed the grass down when grounding his club, which he is entitled to do, different story had he been is a hazard, then it would have been a penalty posted by: JT on 2009/05/25
Play it as it lies Addressing the ball and tapping the grass around it with another club are two different things. He wasn't addressing the club and the spot where he took his practise swing (after improving hs lie) was far away from where he was doing his tap dance. Rules are rules and should be adhered to and not bent. It doesn't matter who you are. What Kenny Perry did there.. was cheating. No Doubt. posted by: J Joubert on 2009/05/25
Cheating -NO Watch it again it is not such a great picture to take a good look at however it looks to me that he did ground his club in the grass to the left of the ball and even then took a practice swing, fully allowed. This movement did not effect his lie at all if it would have the ball would have moved in his practice stance and he would have hit the ball on his practice swing. That is not cheating. Clever maybe so, cheating NO. posted by: Steve on 2009/05/25
Guilty or Not If that is the case all amateurs should be DQ every week for the breach of the same rule(s). Even as a Pro - do you think they always know al the rules - no way! Even officials walk with the rules book in tournaments! posted by: Cass on 2009/05/25
Clearly an Infrigement The lie of the ball clearly improves as more visable, however I have seen pro's do on numerous occasions - Kenny has impecable record - very difficult posted by: anthony on 2009/05/25
Chump He has improved his lie without addressing the ball, sad, he should know better posted by: Sean on 2009/05/25
Clearly YES The ball is clearly more visible! He may not have meant it and was merely testing the surface, but did he improve his lie? YES! posted by: PH on 2009/05/25
Seen it before I have watched alot of live golf and seen on many occasions that pros in the deep rough will push down the grass behind the ball when grounding there club. (I havent seen them doing it like Perry has done it here though, but none the less pushing the grass down when grounding the club). I have seen this especially when around the greens. In fact Im a bit baffled now as to be honest I have been doing this when grounding the club. After seeing the pros do it I was under the impression that I wasnt doing anything wrong. posted by: steve on 2009/05/25
He is a Chump!! His actions clearly improve the lie. However given his "stated" reputation it is possible that he was not thinking about his actions. He has been given the benefit of the doubt and I doubt he will ever do it again. If he does, then he is a chaet!! posted by: Glen on 2009/05/25
Kenny Perry Its the first time I have seen this footage, and quite honestly I cannot believe the PGA Tour did not disqualify KP on the spot. The evidence is clear, he took a club, did not try to address the ball with that club, went on to press or pat down the tuft of grass immediately behind the ball, even went on to change his club and played the shot. There is absolutley no defence, he improved his lie substantially, never called a penalty on himself, in my book cheating. If it were me playing in my monthly medal I don't I would have slept for a week thinking about this, what was he thinking!.The question that must be answered is "why the PGA Tour allowed him to get away with it", after all he went on to win that competition I think. Whatever the result, all the respect I had for KP deminished the moment I saw that video and I am sure there are many other golf lovers throughout the world share this viewpoint.JL, Cyprus posted by: JL on 2009/05/25
He's "just being... stupid because, as a professional, he should know better." (!) posted by: JS on 2009/05/25
No Ways If you look where he presses the club down, it's too the left of the ball, not even behind it. That's where he applied the pressure... No ways was he cheating... posted by: Integrity on 2009/05/25
Kenny Perry a cheat? If improve means better than it was then he is clearly guilty as the ball is hardly visible before the incident and clearly sitting up after it. posted by: Geoff. Dawson on 2009/05/25
Clear cut Yes for sure posted by: KM on 2009/05/25
He's not the only one Watch closely and you will see this form of cheating every week. posted by: CC on 2009/05/25
I dont think so I think he was putting his club there to feel what sort of lie he had with the club. I don't think for a minute that he was cheating... posted by: BN on 2009/05/25
Clearly Yes Intent has nothing to do with it. The test is objective. Improved means better than it was. If he addressed the ball in the action that the grass was flattened, the there is no improvement. He pressed down 3 times before he addressed. I don't see how it can be anything else. posted by: JJ on 2009/05/21
Clearly Not Such suggestions are slanderous and defamatory... posted by: Jim Aintree on 2009/05/21
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